Were Mr. Antolini's actions inappropriate or was there a valid explanation for them? Did Holden overreact? Please respond in 5-7 sentences tonight. Then, DISAGREE with another classmates response and prove your stance with textual evidence by MONDAY.
I feel Mr.Antolini's actions were inappropriate. The fact that he was petting Holden's head while he was sleeping, is creepy and wrong. Mr.Antolini did not have the right to be touching Holden and especially not while he is sleeping. Holden did not overreact to Mr.Antolini's actions. Holden reacted the same way that most people would in that situation. He was creeped out and nervous and dealt with the situation in a mature way.
I would like to disagree with this statement, as much as Mr. Antolini may be viewed as inappropriate their is one reason as to why it was appropriate. As a child growing up it is common for parents and parent like figure to show affection to their kids. For example, a stroke of the head or staying with their child as they sleep is quite common. When Mr. Antolini was stroking Holdan's head it can be viewed as a sign of affection from a patent type of figure, like Holdan's parents might do to him or Phoebe not in a creepy way.
I disagree with this statement, although Mr.Antolini's actions may be perceived as innapropriate I do not believe he meant it in a perverted way. Holden states: "Mr.Antolini came up to our house for dinner quite frequently to find out how I was getting along." This demonstrates that Holden was very close to Mr.Antolini and Mr.Antolini could have looked at Holden as a son. In my opinion Mr.Antolini was just admiring Holden while he was sleeping like a parent might do, not in a perverted way. Holden overreacted a little because he should have listened to what Mr.Antolini had to say and not be so quick to run out of the house without listening to him. But I do understand why Holden was uncomfortable when waking up to Mr.Antolini petting him. Without knowing exactly what is going on I can see why this may seem wrong.
I have to disagree with the previous comment because I feel Mr. Antolini, although drunk, saw a part of himself in Holden and how upset Holden was and pitied him for it. This probably wasn't even hard to figure out as the remnants of Holdens previous crying in Phoebes room "for a long, long time." (pg180) probably was still evident. So evident that even a drunken Mr. Antolini could have picked it up. Additionally, we can see that Mr. Antolini doesn't perform these kind of actions to be "creepy" as we can see in the situation with James Castle. Mr Antolini ruined his jacket and carried the corpse of a troubled boy to the infirmary, which we obviously would not assume as creepy. We would view those actions as caring, just as we view a simple pat of the head.
I think Mr. Anatolini's actions were inappropriate. Considering Mr.Anatolini was Holden's former teacher, he had no right to pet Holden's head. Even though Mr. Anatolini was drunk on highball, he still needs to take responsibility for his actions. Holden's reaction was very reasonable. When Holden says, " That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid. I can't stand it (pg.193)" From this, I can assume that Holden has been through things when he was younger to make him walk out of Mr. Anatolini's apartment.
I have to disagree with the idea that Holden didn't overreact to Mr. Antollini's actions. Judging by how he acts towards Holden while he asks him why he was kicked out of Pencey from pages 182-184, he's worried about Holden. He also says, "I have a feeling you're riding for some kind of terrible, terrible fall. But I don't honestly know what kind... Are you listening to me? (pg. 186)" These two passages show that he cares for Holden and is worried about him. So, a way of comforting someone else is sometimes by patting someone on the back or the head. In addition, he was most likely drunk at that moment and didn't know exactly what he was doing.
I disagree with this statement. Due to the fact that Mr. Antolini was highly intoxicated off of high ball he may not have had control over is actions. We do not know how drunk he was and most likely was not thinking clearly. Mr. Antolinis attentions may not have been perverted, rather affectionate and caring.
Mr. Antolini's actions should be considered inappropriate. Mr. Antolini may have been drunk but that does not justify his actions. It was peculiar when Mr. Antolini said he was "admiring" Holden, especially when Holden was in the middle of his sleep. Mr. Antolini disrupted Holden's sleep and privacy. I think Holden's reaction was appropriate. Holden has every right to be startled at Mr. Antolini's advance and to leave his appartment at any given time. He also has the right to refuse when Mr. Antolini told him to go back to sleep. Mr. Antolini's intentions were equivocal and it was only natural for Holden to be skeptical and to leave before anything else happened. According to Holden's description of the incident, it is understandable why Holden may have reacted the way he did. And whatever Mr. Antolini's intentions were, he should not have done it either way.
I disagree with this because Mr. Antolini was very drunk which probably caused him to act much differently than how he normally acted. He was very close with Holden's family and Holden had clearly been over Mr. Antolini's house before. Holden's parents probably thought Mr. Antolini was a good role model for Holden, who did not seem to care about school. Mr. Anotolini tried to give Holden advice before he goes to sleep, which shows that he cares about Holden.Holden probably thought what Mr. Antolini was doing was "perverted" amd wrong because Holden is a natually cynical person who did not generally trust people to do the right thing.
Although I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate in context, I believe his actions were justified and explained by his drunken state. He was probably so drunk he was not aware of his actions or how inappropriate they must've been to an outside source. When a person is so heavily intoxicated, which we know Mr. Antolini was from Holden's multiple accounts of him refilling his glass, one does not control their actions and loses their sense of personal space as well as appropriate behavior. I believe Holden's actions were not an overreaction on his part. As the video we watched prior to reading the novel said, Holden was probably sexually abused at some point in his life. Holden's obsession with the preservation of innocence probably stems from these traumatic events. Holden's instincts of flight or fight response kicked in when he felt he was being inappropriately touched by what he called a "pervert." This isn't the first time Holden misinterpreted something, although, he does have a valid reason for this one. He says he has encountered many "perverts" in his life which means he may have been abused multiple times. I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were justified by his extreme level of intoxication although they were rightfully misinterpreted by the confused and misguided Holden.
Mr. Antolini's actions were inopropriate and holden did not overreact. Even Mr. Antolini knew his actions were inopropriate because he tried to cover up his actions by saying "Nothing! I'm simply sitting here, admiring-" he says this to holden to try and make it seem like a casual occurance. Holden had every right to leave and he didnt overract he simply made up a lie like he always does and got out of there. Anyone in their right mind would know to leave that place. Mr. Antolini also tried to justify his actions by blaming it on holden. He called him a "very, very strange boy". When he said this to holden he lost all of his credability to holden. He was suppose to be holdens mentor and he let him down. This is why i disagree with ur statement and Mr. Antolinis actions were wrong and holden did not overreact
I would have to disagree with this statement. I would disagree because even if you are in a drunken state you still have some sense of what you are doing. Mr. Antolini might not of realized what he was doing was inappropriate but did know he was patting Holden on the head. Once Holden woke up and realized what Mr. Antolini was doing Mr. Antolini tried to blame his actions on Holden and calling him a very strange boy. According to Holden Mr. Antolini had many cocktails which could have been the reason for him acting so strange, but he still needs to take responsibility for what he did and realize it is inappropriate to pat a former students head while they are asleep.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate. Even though he was clearly drunk, he should not have stroked Holden's head. It is very odd that Mr. Antolini stated that he was admiring Holden. This action would only be acceptable between a parent and their child, however, that is not the case. Holden was obviously bothered and embarrassed, so I do not think that Holden overreacted. Holden should be able to walk out of an area if he is bothered by something that happened. Especially if he felt violated by another individual. Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate and Holden had every right to leave the apartment once he felt like he was being violated.
Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. Although he was intoxicated from overdrinking, he still should have not been rubbing Holden, his former student's, head while he was asleep. Mr.Antolini stated to Holden before he went to bed that he would "only be in the kitchen for awhile," but Holden woke up to him rubbing his head "admiring" him in the middle of the night. Mr.Antolini invaded Holden's privacy while he was sleeping and Holden dealt with the situation well. Holden having dealt with previous situations like the one he woke up to, he was shocked by his former teacher's actions and just left the house after being violated. Therefore, Holden did not overreact to Mr.Antolini's actions, he was only defending himself to aviod an unpleasant situation.
In my opinion Mr. Antolini's actions toward Holden were innopropriate. Even though he was very drunk that night, it still is innopropriate to pet your former student while he is sleeping. Holden did not overreact because what Mr. Antolini did was weird and uncomfortable for Holden, especially when he is sleeping and in the dark. Holden did not expect these perverted actions from Mr. Antolini and is even more scared that he can't even feel safe around the one person who was willing to care for him besides Phoebe. Holden reached out to his former teacher and was disappointed with what he got. When Holden talks about experiencing something perverted several times growing up, it portrays that he has been in situations like this before, whether at home or at school. These uncomfortable situations may be a reason for Holden's unrealistic idea of wanting to be the catcher in the rye. He doesn't want to grow up and face the real world.
I believe that Mr.Antolini's actions should be considered unethical because it is very inappropriate for someone to touch another person, invading their privacy, without their consent. In this case, Mr.Antolini was "petting" Holden while he was asleep, which could logically be considered frightening. Therefore, Holden's response should not be considered an overreaction. I believe that Holden's reaction was actually very mature because he stayed calm while also making it his first priority to remove himself from the scene. Whether Mr.Antolin's actions could be the result of his obvious intoxication in Holden's eyes or from more serious motives, Holden's reaction to Mr.Antolini's inappropriate behavior was very reasonable.
Although Mr. Antolini's action are a little odd they are not unethical. Petting someone's head is not an obscene. Like I said in my previous entry, head petting is something parents do to their children and although Mr. Antolini is not Holden's father, he is like a father figure, considering Holden has gone to Mr. Antolini's house before. For instance, Mrs. Antolini states, "Is that Holden? Hello Holden!" This indicates that Holden has been there before. He was overreacting to this scene as well. Just because you wake up to someone petting your head, who look to as a father figure, you shouldn't jump up and run out the door without your tie."....Mr. Antolini came up to our house for dinner quite frequently...."Mr. Antolini has even gone to Holden's home, proving that Holden's parents trust him.
I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. I believe Holden acted like anybody would if they woke up with somebody touching them while they were sleeping. Holden believed he could go to Mr. Antolini and confide in him. Holden would not have to deal with the world that is steeped in sexuality, but turns out that he is still followed by that with a former teacher he trusted. Holden believed Mr. Antolini was making a sexual advance towards him, he became very embarrassed and uncomfortable, which is why he left so suddenly. Holden also says that he has dealt with this kind of thing before, "When something perverty like that happens, I start sweating like a bastard. That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid. I can't stand it." (Page 193) Holden's reaction was appropriate considering the circumstances.
I feel that Mr.Antolini's actions were indeed inappropiate; however, his excessive drinking beforehand could also add on to his behavior of ''petting" Holden's head while sleeping. It is incredibly strange how Mr.Antolini, Holden's former English teacher in Elkton Hills school, was touching Holden in the middle of the night as he was asleep. Without regard to Mr.Antolini's peculiar actions, I am confused as to why he was stroking Holden's hair. I am thinking that either he is an actual pervert or he was just really drunk, but in the beginning of this chapter, Mr.Antolini did make some vaild, useful points for Holden's future. "I think that one of these days, you're going to have to find out where you want to go. But immediately. You can't afford to lose a minute. Not you" (188). Nevertheless, Holden's reactions were not bizarre at all, because I know if I woke up to my former teacher ''petting" my hair, I would do the same thing that Holden did. I believe that Holden didn't act childish during this situation and reacted in a way that wouldn't end his relationship with Mr.Antolini in an incompetent manner; as a mature person would do.
I do not believe Mr. Antolini's actions were justified. To begin with, nobody should be drinking that much with younger people around. When intoxicated, you can do things you did not intend, or even not remember them. As an adult, Mr. Antolini should have known better and not have drunken so much alcohol while Holden was around. Also, no matter your gender, it is never right for someone to un-consentially touch another person. This rule is to be greater enforced around young people. Because of this, I do not believe Holden overreacted. If I was in his position, I probably would have done the same thing. He acted intelligently in leaving the apartment before anything else could possibly happen.
Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate but there was an explanation for them. Mr. Antolini was very drunk and probably did not know what he was doing. Mr. Antolini had been friends with Holden and his family for a long time and had gone to lunch with Holden's father recently as well. Because he was already close with Holden and his family and Mr. Antolini's intoxication, he acted inappropriately, but it did have na explanation. Holden did not overreact to this because he was startled by Mr. Antolini and Holden thought his actions were "prevented."
I agree with your statement except for the last sentence; Holden did overreact. You said Antolini was close to Holden and his family. Holden's parents trust Antolini. He was looked at as a father figure in a way to Holden while he was in school. He gave Holden advice and lectures many times. Waking up to someone patting your head that is like a father to you shouldn't cause you to run out the door. If it was a complete stranger, then Holden's reactions were appropriate. Plus, Antolini couldn't control what he was doing, he was drunk. He couldn't think straight. Holden overreacted to the situation and assumed things. Antolini never did anything to Holden except help him, why would Antolini try to hurt him? Holden obviously trust Antolini and his wife since he chose to sleep there. Him running out the house at that time from a pat on the head is immature considering the fact that he has no where to go and no money left. Holden should have stayed there for the night and left in the morning with a plan in mind on what he was going to do.
I agree with almost all of your response except your sentence on Holden's reaction. I believe Holden did over react. Mr. Antolini was indeed a close friend of the family. Holden looked at him as a father figure, why would Holden run away from someone he trusted greatly that he went to in a time of need? I don't think Holden should have ran away like he did. Mr Antolini's actions were most likely caused by the highballs he was drinking earlier that evening. Holden over reacted.to someone that was trying to help him. If he had known Mr. Antolini for so long why would he ever try to hurt Holden? Holden assumed that his actions were perverted when in reality they were just a drunken act or a fatherly act.
I feel Mr.Antolini's actions were wrong. He did not need to be touching Holden while he was sleeping. Even though he might have been intoxicated, it was still wrong for Mr.Antolini to be feeling Holden's head. I think Holden reacted in a mature fashion. He was creeped out was was nervous when he was woken up. Most people would feel that way if you were woken up to a man petting your head. Therefore Holden did not overreact to the stuation.
I feel that even though Mr. Antolini is intoxicated his actions were innapropriate. Yes being intoxicated makes a person do things they might not normally do but it does not excuse the fact that he was being innapropriate by touching Holden while he was sleeping. Mr.Antolini should not be touching Holden to begin with but especially not while he is sleeping and is unaware of what is going on. I believe that Holden did not overreact, he was concerned about what might happen if he stayed and got himself out of a situation that could have been bad. It is possible that Mr.Antolini was not going to harm Holden in any way but I think since you can never be too sure Holden took the right steps to make sure he was safe.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were extremely inappropriate. Although he was very intoxicated, there is no justifying the "admiring" of a former student, or a youth, in the way that he had. Mr. Antolini should have known that drinking that much in front of a minor, especially a former student, was highly inappropriate. Mr. Antolini had no right to touch Holden, and should have stopped drinking the minute a perverted thought emerged in his head. Even if Mr. Antolini's intentions were not sexual or perverted, he should have been able to understand the difference between a friendly pat on the back and a pat on one's head while they are sleeping. I do not believe that Holden had overreacted, as it is clear that he has encountered some forms of sexual abuse earlier in his life.
Mr. Antolini's actions where inappropriate. Even though he was very drunk this does not make it okay to invade Holdens personal space. Holden did not overreact, he was pushed out of his comfort zone and has the right to leave when he wants to. At the end of chapter 24 holden states that similar stuff has happened to him in the past, this reveals a lot about who holden is and why he reacted the way he did.
I believe that the actions that Mr. Antolini made while Holden was sleeping on the couch were both inappropriate and had no valid explanation. Because Holden tells us that Mr. Antolini was a heavy drinker and was "oiled up" at the point when Holden was sleeping tells us that he was very drunk. Holden is woken up to Mr. Antolini patting his head while Holden sleeps which Holden calls pervy and I agree that this was a perverted action. Even if Holden and Mr. Antolini were close friends, this does not mean he can pat Holden in his sleep. I believe that Holden reacted appropriately and as anybody would. If I was woken up by and adult doing this, I would have reacted this way and leave the house. Holden could have felt like he was in danger being Mr. Antolini was very drunk and could be unstable. Holden reacted to the situation that Mr. Antolini had put him in.
In my opinion Mr. Antolini's actions were highly inappropriate in the way that "petting"someone's head while they are asleep is very weird. Mr. Antolini may have been drunk on highball but even in a drunken state it is not right to invade someone's personal space and in a sense violate them. Especially if the person invading your space is your old teacher. When Mr. Antolini said that he was "admiring" Holden it made him appear as if he were a pervert, admiring adolescents. I believe Holden's reaction was completely reasonable. Not only was Holden scared and nervous to be in this situation but he was absolutely uncomfortable to know an older man was petting his head while he was asleep. To conclude, I do not think he overreacted, I think he reacted as any other person would if they were in his situation.
Mr. Antolini's actions were rather strange, and uncommon for someone to do, but petting someone's head is not inappropriate. Take a parent and their child, they go in their child's room at night to check on them and they may pet the child's head. Perhaps, Mr. Antolini thinks of Holden as a son, considering, Hilden has gone to Mr. antolini's home multiple times. I do believe Holden overreacted when he left so abruptly. I think that since Holden has never really had someone understand him and care about him, that he is scared when this happens. The very thing he wants so badly is what he refers to as, "perverty." He never had this feeling of being cared for and like anything new Holden tends to be tentative to let it happen.
Some of my statements differ with yours. I don't think Holden was scared because he had never sympathized with anyone, but his younger sister had sympathized with him in the previous chapter. Phoebe was the only person that cared and understood Holden; she gave Holden her Christmas money because he "was practically broke", and he began to cry showing the bond between them. I think Holden had acted appropriately and nervously because the situation has always scared him since he was a child because it was immoral. In Chapter 11, Holden had described Jane's seemingly abusive stepfather, with bad intention, claiming that he was a booze-hound repeatedly. This could represent Holden's disgust for sexual abuse, or as I interpret it, "perverty".
I disagree with with certain aspects of your statement. I don't believe Holden is scared when someone cares for him because throughout the entire novel he has been trying to find someone to listen to him and connect with him. Holden has his younger sister Phoebe who cares for him and is protective over him. Phoebe became very upset and concerned when she figured out Holden had been kicked out of Pencey, she kept saying, "Daddy'll kill you!" I believe Holden did not overreact to Mr.Antolini's actions because it reminded him of "perverty" things that happened to him when he was younger. At the end of chapter 24, Holden says "Boy, I was shaking like a madman. I was sweating, too." I believe Holden felt the need to leave so abruptly because Mr.Antolini's actions towards him brought back a feeling of being sexually abused when he was younger.
I disagree with your comment. Petting someone's head out of context may seem harmless. But take your example. Parents don't just sit at their child's bed and "admire" them even if they were just checking up on his or her sleep. Additionally, wouldn't it be disruptive to "pet" your child's forehead while he or she are sleeping? When Mr. Antolini accidentally startles Holden, instead of saying sorry, he accuses Holden of being a "strange boy". Also, being drunk doesn't necessarily justify why Mr. Antolini was patting his forehead. Out of all the things Mr. Antolini could possibly have done, he chooses to "admire" Holden and pat his forehead. If he was drunk, shouldn't he be passed out and more likely to be in bed/asleep? I think it was better for Holden to leave and trust his instincts before anything else could have happened, being that he has had experience with sexual abuse as a child.
Holden says at the end of the chapter, "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid", which means he has probably been sexually abused before. If that is the case, Holden would know that seemingly innocent things like petting his head could lead to something that is clearly more perverted. Mr Antolini was definitely close to Holden, like a father- figure, but his drunken state is a more likely reason for his strange behavior.
I disagree with some portions of your statement. Mr. Antolini may view Holden as his child, but Holden may not feel the same way. Mr. Antolini is still not related to Holden in any way, so it is very odd for him to pet Holden's head. Holden claimed that "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid". This hints that Holden had suffered from sexual abuse in his past, so small actions such as petting his head may scare him. Mr. Antollini's actions reminded Holden of the abuse that he had suffered in his past. He felt the need to leave Mr. Antollini's house abruptly after the incident. I do not believe that Holden overreacted in any way to Mr. Antollini's inappropriate actions.
I disagree with your statement. Even if Mr. Antolini thought of Holden as a son, many parents don't sit by their child and admire them while they sleep, especially at Holden's age. Also, instead of apologizing when Holden woke up, Mr. Antolini tried to advert the attention to Holden by calling him "a very, very strange boy." I do not think that Holden overreacted by leaving abruptly. Holden mentions that "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid," which hints that Holden has suffered from sexual abuse before. Holden was also sweating and shaking as he was leaving which shows that Mr. Antolini's actions clearly scared him and made him uncomfortable.
I disagree with this statement. Parents may pet and admire their children when they are younger, but when they are older and around Holden's age they usually don't. Mr. Antolini is a friend of the family, but he was also Holden's teacher, and petting a previous student while they are sleeping is inappropriate. Mr. Antolini may also be gay, as the podcast we listened to pointed out, he is in a marriage of convenience. I don't think Mr. Antolini acted the way he did because he was drinking, it was solely by choice. Holden says at the end of the chapter "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid," he is telling us he has been sexually abuse and has had sexual advances made towards him since he was a child. The reason behind is nervous sweating was because it was a familiar situation to him. He had every right to leave; Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. Having an adult, especially one he thought he could trust, make sexual advances towards him was probably extremely troubling, and he felt the need to leave immediately before things could get more uncomfortable.
I disagree with your view on this scene from the novel. Although I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were justified, I do not think so in the way you have stated. What I understood from this interaction between Mr. Antolini and his former student Holden was that he was so heavily intoxicated that he had no sense of personal space or reason. We know this from Holden's multiple accounts and references to Mr. Antolini's drunken state. On page 186 Holden says, "He may get to be an alcoholic if he doesn't watch his step" and on page 187 Holden tells us that "He got up and poured some more booze in his class." I believe that Holden had a close relationship with his former english teacher, but I don't think there's any kind of explanation to these bizarre actions other than being so intoxicated that you don't realize that it is inappropriate. I also have a different opinion on whether or not Holden overreacted in his situation. I believe he was completely justified in his actions and reacted the way anyone should in a time like this. We are taught when we are younger to get out of any situation that makes you feel uncomfortable. If I had woken up and found my former teacher "admiring" and "petting" me, I would create any excuse to leave under any circumstances. Even if Mr. Antolini was just being caring and showing a father- son affections of Holden, he should not have done it while he was asleep and while he himself was drunk. Holden has probably been sexually abused at some point in his life and this rose as a red flag for him to leave. Holden says "That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid." (p193) This is an instinctual response from Holden to avoid a situation that has left traumatizing and life changing effects on him that have made him believe his life is not important and have made him obsessed with the preservation of innocence, something that he wishes someone could have helped him preserve. This is probably why his idealistic job is to be the "catcher in the rye," to save children from the abuse he endured and to protect them from the cruel world of adulthood.
Although it is true that a parent patting their own kid is acceptable, Mr. Antolini is not Holden's father. Mr Antolini may think of himself as Holden's parent. In the case of Holden and Mr. Antolini, this was not appropriate at all. Holden is his past student and not his son or family. Holden sees him as a mentor and not a father figure. As you said a parent and child would be fine so the child would not react in a manner of wanting to leave. In the book on page 192, Holden reacts in the way that a child would not act, "What the hellya doing?... I have to go, anyway, boy was i nervous!... I was so damn nervous." As you see, Holden is very nervous and wants to leave when this incident happens and a child would not do this. This is how I do not agree with your opinion that Antolini's actions were not appropriate.
I have to disagree with your statement because I do believe that Mr. Antolini's action were inappropriate. Even if Mr. Antolini saw Holden as a son, Holden may have felt uncomfortable because of his previous experience with other adults. Such as somewhat sexual abuse may have happened to him. Those experience would led Holden to simply overreact because he knew what could happen, therefore what you may see as overreacting is Holden trying to protect himself. I also believe that if one woke up with a hand of a drunken man petting them, the person may feel uncomfortable with staying the night with the that person, no matter who he was to them. For the fact that the man is drunk so he may do something that his sober self would not do and he would not be in control of what he is doing or thinking, which would make one feel even more uncomfortable.
I disagree with some parts of your response. Mr. Antolini may have viewed himself as a father figure to Holden, but Holden views it differently. Holden revealed that he has been sexually abused when he was a child, therefore his response to Mr. Antolini touching his head was more of a normal reaction than an overreacted one. Holden was clearly nervous by this and his reaction was appropiate.
I disagree with this statement because I feel that Mr. Antolini's actions were indeed perverted. For example, it states in the novel that his wife, Mrs. Antolini is older and rich and that the two of them are never in the same room together. This can indicate that Mr. Antolini is gay. He claims that he is admiring Holden which is wierd. He could be attracted to Holden and is only showing it because he is very drunk and has no filter when he is like this. Also, when Holden flips out on him, Mr. Antilolini gets very defensive by saying that Holden is a very strange boy, as if it wasn't his fault that he creeped him out. Overall, I believe that Holden acted appropriately to the situation and Mr. Antolini was the one who was wrong.
I disagree with the idea that Mr.Antolini's act of patting Holden was appropriate/acceptable. Mr.Antolini may seem like a fatherly figure as he gives advice to Holden but at the same time he is like all the other pervs that Holden has encountered in his life . Within the text Mr. Antolini says "'Good night, handsome.'" to Holden and after he pats Holden's head he says "'I'm just sitting here, admiring-'" on page 191 and 192 respectively. This is not normal for a fatherly figure to do in any circumstance while their child is sleeping, without any inappropriate intention/motives. Furthermore, I disagree with the idea that Holden overreacted because he has never had that feeling of care before. It may seem like he has no one to talk to and that he hasn't had anyone really care about him, but, at home we have seen that his little sister cares and we can infer that his parents do as well. His little sister clearly missed him upon his return, giving him a hug and listening to him while his mother sent him the roller skates because she was thinking of him. Also, he admits he is nervous and scared because of his past experiences with pervs in his life. "That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since i was a kid. I can't stand it." on page 193. This suggests that Holden might've been sexually abused in the passed, explaining why he was frightened. Certainly, he wouldn't want to be abused again, and as a result he ended up getting away from Mr.Antolini, handling the situation maturely.
I am having difficulty understanding the validity of your analogy in saying that what Mr. Antolini had done to Holden is similar to a parent patting their child on the head. Although Holden has visited Mr. Antolini's home several times before, there is no excusing the "admiring" and head patting of a sixteen-year-old boy who is sleeping on your couch. I also disagree with the point that Holden has never experienced being cared for. Holden has made it undeniably clear that both Phoebe and Allie are the most caring and authentic people he has ever known. Phoebe, although being the younger sibling, looks out for Holden. For example, in chapters 21 and 22, Phoebe greatly cares about Holden being kicked out of school, even more so than he does. Phoebe also attempts to stop Holden from cursing on more than one occasion. I do not believe that Holden is skewing the story in any way, despite the fact that he is a pathological liar. I also do not believe that Holden overreacted, as it is clear that he had been sexually abused in his youth.
I disagree with some of your statements about Mr. Antolini's actions towards HoLden. Although Mr. Antolini and HOlden as well as HOlden's family had a close relationship Me. Antonioni was still not his father and in a rather drunken state in this chapter. "Petting" someone's head while they are sleeping is highly inappropriate now that Holden isn't a little kid and his response towards what Mr. Antolini did is how many people would response being creeped out by the fact that he said he was only "admiring" Holden. "That kind of stuff has happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid" This statement by Holden leads us to think that he has been sexually abused in the past and didn't want to go through that again so he left Mr.Antolini's home. Also another thing I disagree with in your response is that he has never had the feeling of being cared because he did in fact have Phoebe, his little sister. She cared a lot about him and Holden cared for her, Phoebe had given all her Christmas money to Holden because she thought he could use to money more than her and it resulted in him crying. So he did in fact have someone who cared for him and that he cared for and that was Phoebe.
I disagree with your statement that Mr. Antolini petting Holden's hwad was not strange. Mr Antolini is not Holden's father or anything close to that. He is Holden's teacher, and thinking of hum as a son is not normal. It is creepy and strange. I also disagree with you of the fact that Holden overreacted about Mr. Antolini's actions. Holden refrenced that he was sexually abused in this chapter, and Mr. Antolini petting Holden must have brought back memories, therefore he did not overreact.
Mr. Antolini's actions are to be thought of as inappropriate but, with reason, can be explained. Sitting on the floor with a highball in his hand, Mr. Antolini was obviously drunk, this is most likely the reason why he acts this way towards Holden. Furthermore, not only is Mr. Antolini Holden's old teacher but he is also someone who Holden looks up to (Why would Holden be acquainted with someone who he wasn't comfortable being around?). However, I am not saying patting a boys head and "admiring" him with his pants off is acceptable either. Whether or not Mr. Antolini intended for things to turn out the way they did, Holden handled the situation maturely despite being freaked out. He has had experienced "pervy" situations like this before, he claims and though he was nervous he got himself out of awkward situation. I feel Holden leaving was the right decision, as Mr.Antolini was not himself/in the right state of mind when this occurred
I think Mr Antolini's actions would indeed be considered as inappropriate, although Holden was a past student of his this type of behavior still shouldn't be acceptable. Rubbing Holdens head in the middle of the night was quite odd and isn't average behavior it could have been due to the amount of alcohol Mr. Antonlini consumed that night but still none the less his actions were inappropriate. I don't think Holden over reacted because it states in the novel that "That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since i was a kid. I can't stand it" pg.193 so Holdens reaction was understandable, he's experienced things like this before and maybe he misconceived Mr. Antolinis actions as perverted but in a way they were.
I feel that Mr. Antolini's actions towards Holden were very inappropriate. While Holden was sleeping on the couch, an intoxicated Mr. Antolini decided to start petting, or rubbing Holden's head. Holden then decided to leave the Antolini's house out of discomfort. Holden's actions were just because Mr. Antolini should not have had his hands on a young teenage boy while he is sleeping. Also, the fact that Holden was a former student of his is even more disturbing. Before Holden went to bed, Mr. Antolini called Holden "handsome." This proves that Mr. Antolini's innappropriate actions were intentional as well as unprofessional.
I believe that in any circumstance, Mr. Antolini's behavior would be considered inappropriate. It isn't normal for a teacher to pet his students hair. This makes the situation in the novel even more inappropriate considering that it was while Holden was sleeping. Even though Mr. Antolini was extremely intoxicated, it still gives him no right to enter Holden's personal space without his permission, this just makes him a pedophile. In regards to Holden's reaction, I feel that it was quite appropriate in the given circumstance. Most people would have started screaming and running causing panic which never helps. Holden reacted calmly and gathered his belongings and left very maturely.
I think that Mr. Antolini's actions were wrong. There is no reason why a boy's school teacher should be petting his student in such a way, especially with him asleep. The fact that Holden was asleep makes the situation much more disturbing. Holden didn't over react in the situation. Maybe Mr. Anatolini's goal wasn't what Holden quickly judged it to be but to wake up to something like that, I wouldn't expect any less of a reaction. Holden was right to leave the house, as he felt uncomfortable staying there because of it.
I think Mr Antolini's actions were inappropriate because while Holden was sleeping, he was petting his head and watching him sleep. It was very creepy for Mr. Antolini to do that and Holden probably feels even worse because the one person he trusted just creeped him out. Holden did do the right thing for once and left a situation that was bad. Holden didn't overreact in my opinion because I would have done the same thing he did. Holden handled the situation like an adult and didn't act like a child with the situation.
I feel that Mr. Antolini's actiona may be perceived as inappropriate but he did not mean for them to be that way. He made it quite clear that he was very concerned about Holden having a major breakdown. I believe that what really occured was that Mr. Antolini was deeply concerned for Holden and went to check on him. Mr. Antolini probably got lost in his thoughts abouy Holden's situation and gave him a few pats of sympathy. Holden did overreact at this situation. Instead of assesing the situation and respectfully asking what was going on, he once again showed his immaturity by freaking out and then fleeing.
I disagree with some of your ideas. Holden handled the situation rather maturely considering that his past involves sexual abuse. Although Holden did flee from his problems again, this time he finally learned when to do so. In the beginning of the book, Holden would have made a scene with the incident, but instead he did not show how frantic he was which shows his progression throughout the novel. As for Mr. Anatolini, he was not in the right state of mind considering he always had a glass of fireball in his hand. As Holden's former educator, this was not the right way to handle the situation and he should not be disregarded for his actions even though he is under the influence.
I disagree with your statment. In my opinion I think that even if Mr. Antolini were going to check on Holden he should not be "petting" or admiring Holden in a sexual way. After Mr. Antolini calls Holden handsome, and performs these actions later that same night, a red flag is obviously going off in Holden's head. He most definitely did not overreact considerig that at the very end of the chapter on page 193 Holden says "When something perverty like that happens, I start sweating like a bastard. That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid. I can't stand it." Here Holden is basically screaming to the reader that he was sexually abused as a child. Therefore, I don't believe Holden was trying to dismiss the situation, in Holden's mind he's doing what is best in order to remove himself from the situation, and even if Mr. Antolini were just checking up on Holden, I think that Holden made the safest and most mature decision by getting out of Mr. Antolini's house.
I disagree with some of the points you made. Although it does seem like
I disagree with some of the points you made. Although it does seem like Mr. Antolini was concerned for Holden, his actions in this context do not seem to be sympathetic. Mr. Antolini was showing his care/concern for Holden before Holden went to sleep by providing advice and guidance on how to get his life together. While this, as well as allowing Holden to stay over his house ,were normal ways for Mr. Antolini to express his care and concern for Holden, it was not appropriate or justified by his drubken state to watch or touch him while he was sleeping. Maybe in a different situation, if Holden was awake, a few pats on the head would be sympathetic , but in this context Mr. Antolini's watching/admiring and touching of Holden was more perverty or sexual, than caring and sympathetic. Also Holden, being a teenager, does not really need to be checked on in his sleep like parents might check on their young children, so I don't believe it is likely that Mr. Antolini was just checking on Holden like you said. I also disagree with you on your belief that Holden overreacted and responded immaturely.Though we know Holden is somewhat immature for his age, he responded maturely to this situation. "When something perverty like that happens...That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid." (193) Holden admits to us that he has been in multiple situations similar to this one as a child. Holden's experience with this kind of situation is what allowed to him to act how I believe was very mature, especially considering the way in which he typically tends to react to difficult situations.
I disagree with this statement. I believe Mr. Antonioni's actions were highly inappropriate and suspicious. Holden's actions were not an over reaction. Holden has told us in chapter 22 about a boy, James Castle who was sexually assaulted by a group of boys. "I won't even tell you what they did to him—it's too repulsive.....instead of taking back what he said, he jumped out the window" (170). This incident at Elkton Hills school scarred Holden. When Mr. Antonioni shows signs of sexual feelings by "admiring" him in the middle of the night, bedside, Holden justifiably becomes nervous. Holden also says "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid. I can't stand it" (193). The fact that Holden has previously been sexually "admired" before gives even more reason as to why he reads the situation the way that he does.
I have to disagree with some of your points. I believe Holden handled his situation as best or mature as he possibly could due to his past which includes sexual abuse. Towards to beginning of the book, Holden would have made a big deal out of Mr. Antolini for petting his head, but this time he played it off with yet another lie and tried to escape his awkward situation. Even though Mr. Antolini, was drunk he was still Holden's old teacher, someone Holden could trust and feel comfortable with, comfortable enough to stay at his house for the night! And for Holden to wake up finding this older man he trusted admiring him in his sleep was creepy for Holden and probably brought him back to memories of old sexual abuse from his childhood. Therefore, I believe Holden acted as best he could considering his predicament.
I disagree with this statement. I don't believe Mr.Antolini was concerned with Holden having a nervous breakdown, but was trying to somewhat change the subject or turn it on Holden by saying "you're a very, very strange boy" pg193. Even though Mr. Antolini was intoxicated, it was sexual abuse and since Holden has had experience with sexual abuse, Holden had the right to react the way that he did. Mr. Antolini was definitely not concerned with Holden, but was possibly going to take advantage of him and made Holden feel uncomfortable and possibly brought back memories.
I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were highly inapropriate and unjust. Clearly, he was very intoxicated, but that leaves no excuse for his actions. Mr. Antolini is a married man and should never have laid his hands on Holden, especially when Holden was sleeping. Therefore, Holden did not overreact. There is no excuse for his actions. Holden was obviously extremely uncomfortable with the situation and responded to it the way he felt was right. Consequestly, I believe that no matter what Mr. Anatoli's intentions and excuses are, his actions were still unethical and Holden's response was understandable given the situation.
Mr Antolini's were innappropriate towards Holden considering he was touching and petting Holden's head and watching him sleep. Since Mr Antolini was drunk that could explain the strange actions he made toward Holden. It could also be because Mr Antolini is a pervert. It was creepy in many ways and even more when he told Holden he was handsome when he was leaving. Holden did not overreact at all. In fact, he handled the situation maturely. I did was he had to to keep himself out of harms way.
I feel holden's actions were appropriate and justified. Mr. Antolini shold not have been touching holden even if he was drunk. Their is no reason to be petting holdens head. Holden leaving the situation was the right thing to do. It was better for him to escape the situation and not fight Mr. Antolini while he was intoxicated because it would hve made the situation worse. Mr. Antolinis actions were unethical . I agree with holdens reaction it was the mature thing to do.
I have to disagree with this statement. Although it was weird that Mr.Antolini was "petting" Holden's head, I feel it should not be viewed as creepy. Mr. Antolini respected Holden and always saw the best in him. Also, Mr.Antolini knows that Holden does not have the best or most truthful relationship with his parents . However, through all that Holden has done throughout his life, Mr. Antolini still admires Holden and when he was "petting" Holden's head, he could have been just admiring him such as a pround adult or parent may do to a kid. Mr. Antolini even admits on page 192 that he was admiring Holden when he says " Nothing! I'm simply here admiring-" I don't think Mr. Antolini meant any harm by his actions and it would have been wrong for Holden to fight or disrespect Mr.Antolini before he left his house.
i have to disagree with the statement that is was unethical. i believe what he did was morally wrong but not ethically. it is common for older people or even close fiends to caress hair or pinch cheeks. while it may have been creepy because he is a teacher it is more justifiable because he is such a close friend. Also he never showed signs of any more sexual advances so i believe it is not that big of a problem.
I feel Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate. Despite the startling difference in age between the two, Holden awoke to a beloved friend who he trusted, violating his space. He did not have the right to do such a thing. Not only did Holden not overreact, but maybe he didn't react enough considering the disturbing situation he's been placed in. Anyone would've reacted negatively toward Mr. Antolini's actions and Holden handled it in both a mature and responsible way.
In my opinion Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate. Not only did he oddly "pet" Holden while heavily intoxicated, but after Holden evidently felt uncomfortable with the situation, Mr. Antolini wouldn't leave Holden alone. Considering how peculiar Mr. Antolini's actions were, I don't believe Holden overreacted. Mr. Antolini continually asks Holden to stay while Holden definitely felt obligated to leave. Holden also mentions how things like this have happened to him in the past. This could be why Holden feels so uncomfortable with Mr. Antolini's actions. Overall, I think Holden was not overreacting not only because the situation is awkward but also because Holden can't fathom sexual actions in general.
Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate. When Holden goes to bed on the couch, Mr. Antolini states hs will be in "the kitchen for a while." Clearly this is a lie, as Holden wakes to a hand patting him on the head... Mr. Antolini's hand. Holden, states he will get his bags and be right back, and leaves the Antolis' home for good. An adult... Let alone a teacher should never put a child, or student, in an uncomfortable position. Clearly, Mr. Antolini does this by touching Holden while he slept. Unfortunately, Holden states he was consuming alcohol, which may have caused him to "pet" Holden. That's strike two... Consuming alcohol in excess with a former student is inappropriate. Before this, Mr. Antolini offered Holden a cigarette. Yes, it was a different time but it is still inappropriate. Lastly, Mr. Antolinin allows Holden to sleep at his home without question. This seems like a nice thing...but, he's in New York, and so is Holden's home. Shouldn't an adult ask or make sure that a child's parents know he's gone, or atleast ask why they're not home... Holden's parents, if they had known he was home in NYC, they could've been worried sick. So, was Holden's flight response over- dramatic? Absolutely not; since the second he walked in, Holden was in an awkward situation, and I would've been out of there long before Holden.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were completetly innapropriate and I feel that their is is no reason for justifying his actions. The fact that Mr. Anrolini was Holden's previous teacher adds to the amount of innapropriateness of the situation. Also, Mr. Antolini says he is "admiring" Holden while stroking his head hints to us that he has sexual interest in Holden. I don't believe Holden overreacted to the situation, I actually think he resonded in the smartest way.I would have done the same thing if I was in his position, leave immeadiately. If Mr.Antolini's intentions were truly sexual, Holden definetly responded to the situation correctly.
Mr. Antollini's actions were inappropriate. First of all, it's not right to pet someone's head while they're sleeping unless you are their parent comforting them as they sleep. Adding to that, you shouldn't bother someone at all when they're sleeping and Holden was sleeping while he did this. It's also wrong because Holden didn't consent to him petting his head and even freaked out when he realized what Mr. Antollini was doing. Mr. Antollini should be sleeping with his wife at this hour, too which shows that he may not love or he may be disloyal to her. Finally, Mr. Antollini tries to convince Holden to stay, calls him weird, and doesn't even apologize for petting Holden.
Mr. Antolini's actions were very unnecessary. He had no business of touching Holden when he was asleep. It would be normal for a parent to stroke the head of their own child, but a teacher stroking the head of a former student is not normal or right. There is textual evidence where it could be guessed that Mr. Antolini might be gay. On page 191, Mr. Antolini says to Holden,"All right. Good night, handsome." Why would he call him handsome if he didn't have "feelings" for Holden. Also, on page 192, Holden says, "What he was doing was, he was sitting on the floor right next to the couch, in the dark and all, and he was sort of petting me or patting me on the goddam head." Once again why would he pet him if he didn't have "feelings" for Holden. If Holden thought that Mr. Antolini might be gay, then Holden's reactions are not at all wrong.
I disagree with the idea that Mr.Antolini's actions could be supported because he had a father-like role in Holden's life. Although there is evidence that shows Holden has known the Antolini family for a long time, they obviously have been apart for quite awhile. "My god, he's grown another twenty inches. Fine to see you." p.181. As Mr.Antolini emphasized, he has not been a part of Holden's life in a long time, and therefore could not have been too significant in his life. Additionally, Mr.Antolini gave Holden no indication that he might be checking in on him throughout the night, let alone "admiring" him and petting his head while he slept. Although it is ok to show someone support, Mr.Antolini took it too far by treating him in a very inappropriate way that gave Holden the right to want to leave. Whether Holden's reaction was stimulated by an abusive past or if he was just uncomfortable with the situation, Holden probably wouldn't have acted that way if he felt that Mr.Antolini was just acting like a father figure in Holden's life.
I feel that Mr.Antolini's actions were definitely inappropriate. Holden trusts Mr.Antolini by sleeping in his for the night, so for him to fondle Holden why he is sleeping is definitely inappropriate. I think Holden did not overreact because anyone who was being fondled at night would react in the same way Holden did. Although Mr.Antolini is intoxicated heavily on the highball, that does not give him the right to fondle Holden at night. Then after he tries to cover it up and blame it on Holden saying he is a "strange boy" on page (193).
I believe Holden's actions were justified at the end of chapter 24. He recognized an inappropriate situation and he avoided further discomfort by leaving. Holden says "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid" (193). Holden realizes that Mr. Antolini's intentions were more than just "admiring". Getting up and leaving was the most logical way to handle things. Doing this might've ultimately avoided a disturbing scene.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's acrions were inappropriate but arguable. First of all, it is not right to be letting someone's hair in the middle of the night, while they are sleeping. There is a possibility that Mr. Antolini is gay which would provide a reason for him being attracted to Holden. On the other side, Mr. Antolini was intoxicated and people who are drunk often do not know what they are doing. Holden did not overreact because anyone would be scared and creeped out if someone was touching you while you were sleeping. Plus, Mr. Antoloni wants Holden to come back to his apartment, who know what would happen? "... and he was sort of petting me or patting me on the goddam head." (192) This quote explains what Mr. Antolini was doing to Holden as he was sleeping.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate too, but I do not believe that it was arguable. I think that for Mr. Antolini to pet Holdens head while he is sleeping in his home is wrong. Holden trusted Mr. Antolini in the fact that he can sleep in his house peacefully. Mr. Antolini went against that trust by petting Holden in his sleep in a creepy way. Holden, in my opinion, acted normal in that situation, doing what most people would do if put in the situation. I do not believe that Mr. Antolini's inappropriate actions were arguable.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate and wrong. He has no right to pet Holden on the head while he is sleeping in the comfort of what he thinks is a trusted friends home. Holden acted in a proper manner to the situation, doing what most people would do if put in the same situation. Even know he was drunk, he should have enough control to realize that petting a student on the head is wrong and creepy. Also, if he knew Holden was coming over, he should never have drank as much as he did. Mr. Antolini's actions were wrong and no excuses make it okay.
I disagree with Kirsten's explanation. Although it may be normal for a parent of a child to touch their forehead and head, Mr. Antolini is not related to him. Therefore I think it is "perverted" as Holden says in the book. Mr. Antolini has no reason to stroke Holdens forhead. The novel also states that mr. Antolini calls Holden hondsome before going to bed. This clearly shows that he has some sort of affection toward Holden.
I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were not acceptable at all. he is a teacher to Holden therefore he is someone who should make Holden feel safe, not scared. Holden was also sleeping so he couldn't say no even if he wanted to.Holden is much younger then Mr. Antolini which is even worse. Mr. Antolini took advantage of a sleeping young boy and made him feel way uncomfortable which is very immature non justifiable.
I disagree with the statement that claimed Mr. Antolini's actions were wrong but were also justified by his alcohol consumption. I strongly believe that because Holden and Mr. Antolini had a father-son relationship, Mr. Antolini was just checking up on him. Holden was clearly heading towards a scary path and Mr. Antolini had told him that. It is quite obvious that Mr. Antolini was very worried about this downfall Holden was facing. Even if Antolini was gay as the podcast stated ot drunk, a parental figure still worries about their child. Also, Holden is not a character that can be trusted, especially since his long history of depression and his common suicidal thoughts. Mr. Antolini is a smart man and understands Holden's instability so his actions were not harassment but instead full of love and concern for the boy who he can consider his own.
I have to disagree with this statement for various reasons. Mr. Antolini was very drunk when he was with Holden, which may have caused him to do dome things that are out of the ordinary. Also, since Mr. Antolini was Holden's teacher and he speaks to Holden's parents, he could have been trying to comfort Holden by petting his head because he knows how troubled he is. Being that Mr. Antolini has a close relationship with Holden and his family, it would be acceptable for him to touch Holden in this way.I feel that Mr. Antolini may have felt a paternal need to ease Holden's pain, which justifies his actions. If Mr. Antolini's actions were solely based upon wanting to comfort Holden, they would be acceptable and not be considered innapropriate.
I feel that Mr. Antolini's actions should be deemed appropriate. First of all, Mr. Antolini was extremely drunk, which may have caused him to be a little over emotional. Additionally, Mr. Anntolini on pages 188-189 gave Holden such precise information on what Holden could very much be feeling, that Mr. Antolini may have seen a part of himself in Holden. Holden; whom Mr. Antolini may also see as a son as Mr. Antolini was never given the opportunity to have children due to his old wife, had most definitely over reacted to Mr. Antolini's actions.
Mr. Antolini's actions were highly inappropriate and in my opinion where extremely strange. His actions may have been due to the fact that he was intoxicated, but they were inappropriate nonetheless. I was really confused at first as to what was taking place as Holden describes it and I was hoping that Holden would get an answer by accusing Mr. Antolini of his actions so we could get an explanation of what he might have been trying to do. I think that Holden's reaction was perfect because instead of straight out accusing him of doing something perverted, he came up with a lie to get out of the apartment. Mr. Antolini may have continued to drink and got so drunk he started to think about doing something perverted. Therefore, if Holden embarrassed him before leaving when Mr. Antolini becomes sober again, it would have been more embarrassing for him to face Holden in the future. Holden may have reacted the way he did so that he can try to keep the relationship with Mr. Antolini as it was and not make it worse by overreacting.
I agree with some points that you are saying but I don't exactly agree with how extreme your points are. For example, you say that his action are highly inappropriate and I don't believe that's the case. Yes, a teacher should not be touching his student in such a way, and I agree with you that he is drunk. On another note though, you may see Mr. Antolini's actions as one of a parent to a child. His earlier comments about how attractive Holden was and things of the such may lead some to believe that he had perverted intentions but yet again, you can see his actions as a form of comforting. He could see that Holden is feeling very depressed and is experiencing inner turmoil, and like your parent has likely done to you, he was giving Holden a comforting touch. This might be me just giving Mr. Antolini the benefit of the doubt but I believe that he might have had not ao bad intention after all. Despite that though, I will agree that Mr. Antolini shouldn't have been touching Holden regardless of his intentions, for it isn't a teacher's part to overstep thought physical boundaries.
I believe that Mr.Antolini's actions were not inappropriate. This is because, like Holden had said multiple times, Mr.Antolini was extremely drunk, due to his heavy drinking. "He was a pretty sophisticated guy, and he was a pretty heavy drinker."(page 181). I do not think that any person in their right mind would do something like this. Additionally, due to what Haolden stated about him being drunk, leads me to believe that his actions were Primarily from being intoxicated. I think due to Holden's past (which was implied that he was sexually abused) he did not overreact. His past could have led him to think that maybe Mr.Antolini would have done something that has happened to him in past by other people. Thus, I believe that Holden acted appropriately due to the situation, even though at the moment Mr.Antolini was just petting or patting Holden's head.
I disagree wuth this statement. Although Mr.Antolini was intoxicated,he still should of not "pet" Holden, his previous stduent's, head. Mr.Antolini, although a heavy drinker, should not have drunk that much alcohol especially since Holden was over since he needed a place to stay. Furthermore, Mr.Antolini should have been able to control his actions since he is such a heavy drinker and should be used to being intoxicated.
I disagree with this statement because being drunk should not be an excuse for mr Antolinis behavior. Holden trusted mr Antolini and went to him for help, he later betrayed Holden's trust me touching him inapproiately and "admiring" Holden while he was sleeping. Mr Antolini did not even apologize when Holden woke up he instead blamed Holden of being a strange boy, he would not take responsibility for his actions. Being drunk does not make up for his behavior
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. It is not right for an older man to touch a younger boy in a strange or sexual way. I doubt that this was intentionally perverted because he was highly drunk due to the heavy drinking of the night. He was not in control of his actions fully. Holden did not over react and should have tried to expel himself from the situation as soon as possible. Holden made the right choice.
I disagree with only one thing, which is when Mr.Antolini did not have control over his actions. yes he does not have control over his actions, but he did have control over the fact to start drinking when he has a younger guest who is not of legal drinking age in the house. "all old Mr.Antolini had was another highball, though" (186) Also even after this we see Mr.Antolini fill up his glass. so even though his actions were inappropriate they can be justified, he should not have been drinking heavily in front of a minor and previous student.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate because petting someone's head while they are sleeping is very creepy and weird. Even though Mr. Antolini was drunk it still was not right to do, especially that he was once Holden's teacher. The fact that he said he was admiring Holden made it even creepier unless he was Holden's father which he was not. I think Holden reacted in a proper matter, he was nervous and embarrassed of what had happen like anyone else would be. His actions are the same most people would do in that type of situation. Therefore I think he did not overreact.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. Even though Mr. Antolini and Holden have been friends for a long time, Mr. Antolini was Holden's former teacher and the fact that he decided to pat Holden's head while he was asleep is creepy. I found it strange when Mr. Antolini said that he was admiring Holden. Mr. Antolini also calls Holden "handsome" before heading off to bed which could be viewed as an advance. Holden had an appropriate reaction toward Mr. Antolini's actions. Holden had mentioned that this kind of stuff had happened to him about twenty times which could mean that he had experienced some sort of sexual abuse and gives him every right to be skeptical.
I believe that Mr.Antolini's actions were entirely inappropriate and morally wrong. The fact that Mr. Antolini was drinking a heavy amount stands as no excuse for his perverted actions. Mr. Antolini had just finished lecturing Holden upon the idea that he was trending downwards and his life was heading in the wrong direction and the perverted actions by Mr. Antolini only further hurt Holden. Holden did not overeact in any way as he has experienced this before and dealt with the situation in a very slick way. As a reader I can expect Holden to be affected by this predicament in a negative way and contribute to his downfall.
Mr. Antolini's actions were very inappropriate. He has no right to just touch Holden on his head while he is asleep. Not only is it wrong, but it is really creepy. I might understand why he touched his head; it was probably because he was really drunk on highball. I don't believe Holden overreacted at all. I would have done the same thing if somebody started stroking my head while I was asleep. I believe if Mr. Antolini had swapped positions with Holden in that situation, then Mr. Antolini would have been just as freaked out, if not more.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were definitely inappropriate in the end of Chapter 24. Even though Mr. Antolini was drinking cocktails for the time the reader has seen him for, he should have a larger capacity for alcohol than Holden because the English teacher is older. Also, Mr. Antolini had tried to play off his advances by acting cool and casual around it, which could be seen as a lack of professionalism that could make his actions look even more inappropriate. Holden did not overreact because his actions were justified by the scale of Mr. Antolini's advances. Holden was getting tired and had a headache, so he believed sleeping would help, but Antolini had awakened him. More importantly, touching someone as they sleep is seen as immoral and unethical by society. Mr. Antolini's history with Holden could make the situation look almost normal, but Holden's reaction was sound.
I disagree with some of your statements. Even if Mr. Antolini might have a higher capacity for alcohol because he is older, there is no indication of how much he had drunken before Holden arrived. also, you state that Mr. Antolini "tried to play off his advances as cool", but perhaps he actually was calm—perhaps he had no guilty conscience to be "uncool" over. Perhaps making physical contact with someone is considered unethical by society, but this social stigma over this possibly platonic deed is questionable in itself. Are we as a society so afraid of contact between two males that we reject what might have been simply a reach out for friendship beyond age?
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions towards Holden were highly inappropriate. Since he was Holden's former English professor, he should not have touched Holden in any way let alone "petting" and admiring him. Although these actions were strange, Antolini was heavily intoxicated which could have led to his actions. Even though he was heavily intoxicated and could have touched Holden out of pure mindlessness, his actions were still unacceptable.
I believe Antolini's action were very inappropriate due to the fact that he was his former professor. This fact showing the touching or as Holden said "petting" him in an admiration or pure sexual desire. As stated many times he was drinking a lot can be clarified that his actions were because of intoxication and not being able to think straight, but this can not be used as defense because many desires and thoughts are expressed more as you drink. Even deep suppressed thoughts, so saying his intoxication is his excuse can not fully be used due the possible suppressed thoughts.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate. Although he was drunk, that doesn't excuse his wrongful behavior towards Holden. I found it queer how Mr. Antolini told Holden that he admired him. Holden disliked how Mr. Antolini petted his head while he was sleeping.This reminded Holden about "the kind of stuff" that occurred to him about twenty times when he was a kid. Holden's response of questioning Mr. Antolini's intention and leaving is a normal reaction of what most people would've done. Therefore, Holden's response wasn't overacted, but dealt in a mature way.
Mr. Antolini's actions were completely inappropriate, and although he was drunk, there is no valid explanation for them. Holden's reaction made sense; he removed himself from a potentially dangerous situation. He says "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid", which means Holden had most likely been sexually abused before. He was probably aware that Mr. Antolini petting his head could have led to something even more perverted and found a way out despite having no where else to go.
I think that Mr.Anatolini's actions were innapropriate. He was quite drunk while Holdan was staying at his house as well as he was smoking cigarettes with him casually, which is quite inappropriate for a man to be doing with a child. As well as when Holdan gave news as to why he failed Mr. Anatolini did not seem to mind much that he flunked out, he almost expected it of Holdan and failed to give Holdan any advice regarding his lack of effort, like and adult should do. Mr. Antolini made innapropriate moves toward Holdan while he was sleeping such as sexually petting his head. Holdan was right for removing himsel from the situation and escaping what could have been some kind of a sexual assault.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate and morally wrong especially considering the fact that he is a former teacher of Holden. Antolini's excessive drinking should not be an excuse of his actions. Even though Holden and Antolini have been friends for a while, a teacher patting your head while you're asleep is weird and creepy and so is the fact that Antolini admits he was "admiring" Holden. It was also strange when Antolini called Holden "handsome" before leaving him alone. Holden did not overreact and made the right decision in leaving. Holden has probably been in a situation similar to this so leaving was the best way to avoid any further problems that he may have faced before in his life. I think Antolini's actions towards Holden this night can contribute to Holden's downfall since it had affected him so much in a negative way.
I would disagree with this statement because in my opinion, Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate and uncalled for. Though you way be right about Mr. Antolini acting as a father like figure, his actions would still be inappropriate even if he was Holden's actual father. We do not know exactly what his intentions were, but nevertheless Holden did not condone this behavior. He did not overreact, but was definitely shaken by the event. Mr. Antolini's actions may have been due to intoxication, but it doesn't matter if he was sober or not, action were still perverted and put Holden in an uncomfortable situation.
I believe that Mr. Antolini's actions were not inappropriate, even if a little odd. Mr. Antolini appears to treat Holden more like a son than a student. Uninhibited by drink, perhaps his petting of Holden is more of a "parent caressing child" intention rather than something more sexual. Holden did not overact in response; he left as calmly as he could. However, it might not have hurt to hear Mr. Antolini out, especially if it was someone he trusted (and it seems like he did) in the past. Holden states that Antolini "wasn't any too godamn cool", but half a page later states that he was sitting in a chair. Those contradictions remind us that Holden's judgement overpowers the hypothetical truth of the novel.
I disagree and believe that the statements provided in the novel to not allow one to infer that he was close enough to Holden to physically treat him as his son. People have mentors in life, however it's highly unusually for a mentor to caress their student. Also, after Holden woke up, Mr. Antolini called him "a very strange boy". This is not something a parent or mentor would normally say to their child/student, so it's possibly Mr. Antolini didn't see him in that way. I also disagree that it would have been ok for Holden to stay any longer. Holden was just following his instinct and leaving before anything else could happen, as similar situations have happened to him in the past.
I disagree with this statement. Even though he may be more of a influential figure in Holden's life it's still very inappropriate to be both watching him sleep and caressing his hair. After wards Mr. Antolinis tries to justify himself by calling Holden a very strange and odd boy. We were also hinted towards that Mr. Antolinis may be gay which I think would cause him to admire and touch Holden in his sleep. Most parents wouldn't just wake up in the middle of the night and think to go and pet their child's head and watch them sleep.
I disagree with the above statement. Going by Holden's statement, "that kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid." the reader can tell that Holden has identified this situation as perverted due to Holden's past. Holden clearly knew what he was doing as he knew he had to leave before the situation esculater, hearing Mr. Antolini out was clearly not in Holden's mind as;once again, we know this type of stuff has happened a repeated amount of time. Having nothing to compare to, I have to accept the fact that this happened as Holden said allowing the reader to identify the situation as inappropriate.
I disagree with this statement for a couple of reasons. First, even if Mr. Antolini does treat Holden like his son, it does not mean that Holden views him as a father figure. Due to this fact, Mr. Antolini may have thought his actions were justified, but this feeling was not reciprocated by Holden. Saying “Goodnight, handsome,” offers more evidence to show that Mr. Antolini’s relationship with Holden was more sexual than anything else, as this is not a normal thing to say to a child. Also, I believe that Holden has every right to leave without hearing Mr. Antolini out. He was likely very startled and just wanted to leave as quickly as he could.
I disagree with this statement because of a few reasons. First, I do not believe Holden views Mr. Antolini as a father to him. Holden viewed him as a mentor and not as a close father to him. Because Mr. Antolini was drinking he may have thought this was acceptable, but it definitely wasn't and this is shown when Holden leaves very quickly from Mr. Antolini's house. Holden also was not going to stay any longer after Mr.Antolini petted his head to hear what he had to say as he says,"That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid." He definitely did not feel comfortable to stay any longer stuff like what Mr. Antolini did has happened to him many times before.
I disagree with this statement, because Holden never said once throughout the chapter how he views Mr.Antolini as a father-figure, so I wouldn't suspect that Mr.Antolini perspective of Holden would be seen as a son. Also, it is not normal for a former teacher to say, "Goodnight, handsome," to their student after not seeing each other for awhile now. This just proves that Mr.Antolini shows how he is attracted to Holden not in a father-son way at all. On top of that, when Holden finds Mr.Antolini caressing his hair in the middle of the night while he was sleeping, Holden asks what he is doing and Mr.Antolini states, "I'm simply sitting here, admiring-". This also shows how Mr.Antolini's actions were "perverty" and inappropriate.
I disagree with this statement because Holden was no where near being close enough to Mr.Antolini. He was Holden's teacher and friend. Antolini should not be treating his former students like this. There is no reason why a grown man should be touching an adolescent in a sexual matter. Holden acted in the right matter because if someone does this to you, the best thing to do is leave. These kinds of this have happened to him before, and his instinct is to leave as quick as possible before anything else happens.
I disagree with Jonathan’s statement because I believe his ideas are wrong based off of textual evidence. First, with the information provided by the author, we cannot assume Mr. Antolini was seen as a mentor rather than a teacher. Plus, no matter what the relationship is, it is very inappropriate for an older man to be stroking a younger man in the middle of night. Mr. Antolini even lied to Holden by saying he was going to the kitchen before Holden went to bed, because he obviously stayed to watch Holden in his sleep. This lie even helps prove that Mr. Antolini can’t see himself as a mentor because a mentor wouldn’t lie to his student. Another piece of evidence in the book provided by the author to prove that Mr. Antolini was touching Holden in a sexual way was Mr. Antolini’s relationship with his own wife. They are an estranged couple who seem to not have true connection; as proven by the fact that they never are in the same room together. This could lead us to believe that Mr. Antolini might be homosexual, tying into his actions of touching Holden in his sleep. As mentioned, Mr. Antolini even says that he ws admiring Holden. To top it all off, Mr. Antolini was drinking heavily that night. An adult should never be drinking that heavily in front of a minor. In the end, I believe that Mr. Antolini’s actions weren’t justifiable and his reasoning for why they would be are off.
I disagree with Johnathan Yu's statement because Mr. Antolini wasn't like a father figure and Holden never states that in the novel. Mr Antolinj is a friend, a person Holden could talk to, etc. like how Mr Spencer was to Holden. Mr Antolini's actions were inappropriate to some extent. While Holden was leaving Mr Antolini hints at this certain fondness he has for Holden telling him he was "handsome" and that he admires him. Although Mr Antolini may have been drunk while this had happened, it doesn't give him an excuse for what had happened. Again, Holden handled this situation properly like any other mature adult would.
In my opinion Mr. Antolini's actions toward Holden in Chapter 24 were inappropriate. It is not right for a former teacher to touch Holden or "pet" him. The fact that Mr. Antolini was drinking heavily does not justify his actions in any way. Also, it was not right that Mr. Antolini tried to act innocent and say that he did nothing. He is a professional teacher that should be acting professional especially around former students. This action is unjustified in any situation and Holden did not overreact to it. Holden felt very uncomfortable because he was sleeping when Mr. Antolini made advances on him and he was woken up by his actions. Touching someone while they are sleeping is viewed as unmoral by most of society. This is why I believe Holden did not overreact in this situation.
I believe Mr. Antolini's actions were inappropriate at the end of chapter 24. Even though Mr. Antolini was intoxicated that does not give him the right to be petting someone on the forehead while sleeping. Once Holden realized what he was doing Mr. Antolini tried to play it off like everything was fine but it was not. Holden in my opinion did not overreact to they way Mr. Antolini was invading his privacy. It is very common to be startled by someone sitting next to you while waking up, if i was in Holden's situation i would've acted the same way. Being woken up by someone petting you on the head is creepy and disturbing. Mr. Antolini might have had good intentions to comfort Holden but ended up making Holden feel uncomfortable.
In my opinion,if the events occurred exactly as Holden describes them, the actions of Mr. Antolini were inappropriate. Holden mentioned many times throughout the chapter that Mr. Antolini was "pretty oiled up," but the fact that he was very intoxicated does not justify his actions. I found it odd that Mr. Antolini said "Goodnight, handsome," though it seemed at the time that Holden thought nothing of it. It was even more peculiar for Mr. Antolini to watch Holden and touch him while he was asleep. I don't believe that Holden by any means over reacted . He was probably shocked and confused upon seeing Mr. Antolini on the floor next to the couch. He had woken up to find that his former teacher had been beside him patting his head and watching him sleep.Holden found Mr. Antolini's actions "perverty." That being said, Holden's reaction was an acceptable response to the situation. Fleeing the scene is what most people probably would have done in such a situation. Holden reacted calmly and maturely, unlike the way he usually handles tough situations. However, we are aware ,based on previous events in the novel, that Holden often exaggerates. Therefore, it is difficult to judge whether Mr. Antolini's actions were truly "perverty" or if Holden over reacted to Mr. Antolini displaying affection toward Holden in a nonsexual/father to son sort of way.
I feel that Mr. Antolini 's actions were inappropriate and uncomforting. In my opinion, he should've never thought about putting his hand on Holden. However, the way Holden responded wasn't so apropriate either. The way Holden ran out into the elevator, spitting out lies and not allowing Mr. Antolini to explain himself was a very immature move and there is a small possibility that Holden could've had the wrong idea of what Mr. Antolini was trying to do. I do believe that Holden had a right to be a little frightened when he felt the man's hand on his head while he was sleeping, but he was intoxicated as you can see from the amount of times Holden said he was "pretty oiled up", so Holden shouldn't fully judge Mr. Antolini and his behavior. Also, since Holden is the one telling the story, maybe the events we're hearing are a little exaggerated and maybe even somewhat fictional.
Mr. Antolini was under the influence from the point he was introduced to the reader, however, this is not a valid excuse for his actions. Although he may have been drunk I still do not consider his actions to be anywhere near appropriate. It is clear that Mr. Antolini was more than just an English teacher from Elkton Hill to Holden. They had become family friends over the period of time he had taught Holden which is why Holden felt like he could come to Mr. Antolini as someone to talk to. But when Holden woke up to Mr.Antolini's hand on his head he quickly reacted because he didn't understand the situation or why he would be doing that especially while he was sound asleep. Holden did not over react, he just simply responded to a situation like most people would being in a confused, and shocked state. It is hard to tell whether the main reason for Mr, Antolini's action was entirely because he has been drinking. It may have been part of the reason he was comfortable "petting" Holden but another explanation was that Holden was still a child and he obviously cared for Holden and wanted him to do good things in life. At the beginning of Chapter 24, Mr. Antolini gives deeper meanings and explanations to Holden and Holden had said they he had been thinking for a long time before he spoke. I do not think he was heavily intoxicated because he could still hold a great conversation with Holden but it is clear that he had been drinking. So another possible purpose for his action at the end of the chapter was that he saw Holden as his own child or possibly a young child in general that was lost in the world," The man falling isn't permitted to feel or hear himself hit bottom. He just keeps falling and falling."(187) He doesn't want this to happen to Holden so just like your parents might have done to you when you were little Mr. Antolini felt the need to "pet" Holden as a way of letting him know it was going to all be okay. Unlike something your parents might have done while you were awake telling you things to comfort you, Mr. Antolini does this while Holden is sleeping which is what makes the action very inappropriate. Throughout the story we can tell that this wasn't the first time Holden misinterpreted something but to rather be save than sorry Holden removed himself from the situation. It said at the end of the chapter that he had encountered many "perverts" which could mean he has had multiple abuses or just been in very uncomfortable situations before. Mr.Antolini's actions were unethical but Holden's reaction was caused by his confusion and worrying about what the situation could possible become.
I believe mr antolinis actions were completly innaproiate. Him being drunk should not be an excuse for him to touch Holden innaproiate ly. Mr Antonli used to be Holden's teacher so it is inapproiate for him to be drinking around him in the first place. Additionally mr Antonli was telling Holden how his life is heading in a downward spiral and lecturing him to turn it around , mr antonli was trying to be a role model to Holden and then for him to be innaproiate with him is not acceptable. I think Holden did not over react because he was just scared and wanted to leave as soon as possible. Holden has said these kind of things have happened to him several times therefore, he was just trying to avoid a bad situation from happening again.
I disagree with this because Mr.Antolini was intoxicated causing him to not be in the right state of mind, so I don't believe it was that inappropriate. Additionally, just because he was Holden's past teacher, doesn't mean it made it more inappropriate from him to drink in front of Holden.Every adult is allowed to drink, even if it's in front of a younger person.
I believe Mr. Antolinis actions were inappropriate and created an awkward/perverted situation. Not only was he caressing and petting his hair but also watching him sleep which is very odd. Holden indirectly has stated before that he was equal abused as a child and therefore has experienced such a situation causing him to leave the scene quickly. His actions were not over reactive and anyone would have done the same thing.
Even though Mr. Antolini "petting" and admiring Holden was inappropriate, I feel that there was some reasoning behind them. We know that Mr. Antolini was heavily intoxicated and he was most likely unsure of what he was even doing. I feel that Holden overreacted because he knew that Mr. Antolini was drunk and could not even think straight. Yes, it was a very awkward situation and Holden is socially unstable but I feel that alcohol was the only culprit for Antolini's actions. Holden had been abused sexually as a child and his mind has been damaged by those experiences but Antolini is someone he trusts and she didn't have to react in that manner.
I disagree with your statement because although he was highly intoxicated, he could have went to bed with his wife when he finished helped making Holden's bed, however, he went into the kitchen for a while. I believe that someone could usually get them self to bed even while intoxicated if they really wanted to. Also, I would argue with your point that Holden overreacted, because I feel he acted very calmly. Holden didn't try to fight mr.Antolini, didn't try to call police, he just thought it was perverted to have been stroked by an old professor. Also, on page 192, Holden states " I have to go, anyway." He didn't run out screaming, he simply said he had to leave and went on with his business.
I believe that Mr. Antolini’s actions should be considered very unnecessary and inappropriate. Though his motives may be explained through his drunkenness, the extent to which he took his actions is still very inappropriate. If a grown man is admiring and touching a person he is not close with, especially an adolescent, then it is very uncomfortable situation, no matter the circumstances. Holden’s reaction was a perfectly reasonable reaction to this scenario. Any person who is being felt by a grown man in his/her sleep has the right to be startled and leave. Any reasonable person would have this same reaction. This whole situation could have been avoided if Mr. Antolini had not acted inappropriately on Holden.
Mr. Antolini's actions should be considered very inappropriate and Holden did not overact. Mr. Antolini is a friend of Holden's parents and one of Holden's previous teachers; it seems inappropriate for a teacher to be petting a previous student while they are sleeping. Some may argue that Mr. Antolini was petting Holden they way a parent would a child, but a parent would not being doing this at Holden's age. Mr. Antolini also confesses that he was 'admiring' Holden. Mr. Antolini's actions are not acceptable or solely because he was drunk, as he was not heavily under the influence. Waking up to being petted and felt by someone you thought of as a role model is probably very confusing and frightening. Holden had every right to leave, as Mr. Antolini was the one at fault, not Holden.
I would disagree with Josh's statement. While it may have seemed innapropriate for some adult to be touching Holden while he was asleep, for Mr. Antolini to be doing it, it's not. Mr. Antolini was said to be very close to Holden and his family, like a family friend. Holden and his family even had Mr. Antolini over for dinner many times, " Mr.Antolini came up to our house for dinner quite frequently to find out how I was getting along."(180) this proves that Mr. Antolini cares very much for Holden, so it would make sense that he would be worrying about Holden. This is why he was touching, or stroking, Holden's head. He did it out of caring and worrying for Holden's future. "I can very clearly see you dying nobly, for some unworthy cause."(188)
In Chapter 24 of The Catcher in the Rye, Mr. Antolini, Holden’s former English teacher at Elkton Hills, touches Holden in his sleep. These actions performed on Holden by Mr. Antolini are completely inappropriate considering the circumstances. The fact that he petted Holden’s head in his sleep was plain creepy and unacceptable. Holden, only being a minor, and Mr. Antolini, a married adult, should never make physical/sexual contact due obvious reasons, such as the age difference. Despite being heavily drunk on highball, there is no reason for Mr. Antolini to touch Holden. Mr. Antolini did not have the rights to disrupt Holden’s privacy and he should take responsibility for his actions. Holden did not overreact to Mr. Antolini touching him in his sleep. It was completely wrong how Mr. Antolini acted and Holden’s reaction is similar to what other people would have done if they were in Holden’s shoes. As stated at the end of the chapter on page 193, “That kind of stuff’s happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid. I can’t stand it,” Holden has been abused before several times in the past and this has affected his views of people and society. This could possibly be why he sees so many people as “perverts”, such as Mr. Antolini, and why he has distrust in people. As a whole, Mr. Antolini’s actions towards Holden were beyond inappropriate and his reactions were justifiable.